Re: Gay Marriage pluscachange: [quote author=Lumpy link=topic=36609.msg390380#msg390380 date=1161750890">
[quote author=flyaway link=topic=36609.msg390346#msg390346 date=1161747398">
wow. so why would gays be better at marriage than non gays? I don't understand that logic.
I was just thinking about this as I was driving around town tonight.
Not sure if I'm putting this in the right context, but here's what I was thinking.
What if we handed out high school diplomas to anyone who wanted one? That it was called discriminating if we didn't want to give someone a diploma? So there were all these people walking around with highschool diplomas. BUT...the thing with that is this: the value of the highschool diploma no longer holds. Employers won't hire a diploma right off anymore, because there are so many now who have one that maybe shouldn't.
I just see granting marital rights to others outside the traditional definition of marriage as possibly reducing the value of the institution.
And recognizing gay marriage just to reduce the divorce rate is kinda retarded. :P But on the whole, JimB, thanks for your thoughtful post.
flyaway :)
P.S.
[quote"> It makes marriage more relevant to today's society[/quote">
why can't we have society come back to where traditional marriage was the building block of our culture? The foundation of good, solid familly and community? Why do we always have to travel in one direction in the name of "staying relevant"?
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I can kinda buy the gay divorce rate theory that JimB is floating. As a group, Gays are fighting for a right that we take for granted to some degree. Strangely enough I think they might hold the tradition in more reverance than straight society does as a whole. The High School Diploma analogy doesn't work. An education is something you have to earn. Any two schmucks can walk into city hall with 75 bucks and be married. It would be a sign of the times IMO. I really don't see how it threatens the sanctity of "traditional" marriage. Love is love period.
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The first married lesbian couple, in the united States, have filed for divorce after a VERY brief marriage (5 years or less I think).
Nobody is holding anything in more reverance than anybody else here.
The rest I agree with you on.
Re: Gay Marriage hudson: [quote author=torn-n-2 link=topic=36609.msg393907#msg393907 date=1162165960">
I thought I'd call up some guy friends and pick their brains about the reoccuring homosexual thoughts you claim "all men" have had,[/quote">
No sweety, I said "nearly" all men. Big difference. And I thought it was common knowledge that most men have homosexual thoughts. I learned it in college, psych 101.
And if you did, as you said, call up some of your male friends and ask them if they have homosexual thoughts, I seriously doubt they'd say yes. That's not the kind of info you want getting out into a circle of friends. "Hey, did you hear, Mark's gay, he told torn n2 that he's had homosexual thoughts, even recurring ones". I'm mean, cause according to you, that does make him gay. Right?
Why are more men and women "coming out" because more and more, they have the opportunity to experiment and get involved with homosexual relationships. Why? Because it's shoved in their faces, they're forced by screaming liberals to accept it and embrace it. Cause it's everywhere now. You can't step onto a college campus nowadays without hearing some gay group screaming about this or that, telling you that you must accept them. And eventually, with enough pressure from certain peer groups, young men and women will experiment. At least many will. I mean, why shouldn't they, it's the newest,coolest thing....remember?
It's not harder to be a gay man, it's harder to be a man who says it's wrong.
Re: Gay Marriage trapped: [quote author=Lumpy link=topic=36609.msg392244#msg392244 date=1161907617">
[quote author=trapped link=topic=36609.msg392221#msg392221 date=1161905480">
Hmmm, what about a bromance?
Bromance:
Describes the complicated love and affection shared by two straight males.
;D
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Let's not forget the ho-mance. Equal time and all that. ;)
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LMAO ;D
Re: Gay Marriage flyaway: [quote author=Lumpy link=topic=36609.msg391327#msg391327 date=1161823120">
[quote author=flyaway link=topic=36609.msg391325#msg391325 date=1161822765">
[quote author=Lumpy link=topic=36609.msg391323#msg391323 date=1161822669">
Sure, brainwashing is possible. Is it moral would be the more pertinent question. It's not a disease people.
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ouch, Lump. :o
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Not a shot a you personally flyaway. I just think that this is how organizations such as this view homosexuality. They believe that it's a mental illness. Sorry but I think that is extremely naiive.
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ummm, I'm so glad you took the time to look at it, Lumpy. But I think you missed something. I think you clicked on the link with that opinion firmly in mind first. But then I may be wrong.
I guess I'm feeling a bit put off here, because I spent 30 weeks in the living waters program over last winter. I am not struggling with a same-sex attraction issue *much* ;D, but I was dealing with other stuff. I got to know the facilitators, and the participants pretty well, as we were dealing with hugely emotionally charged stuff.
Not once do I recall them EVER saying that homosexuality is a mental illness. Not ONCE. And if you actually looked at that website, Lumpy, you would NEVER find that opinion there at all.
I have to stop posting here now. I really do. Before I alienate all my friends. :-[
Re: Gay Marriage Plucky: [quote"> Let the gays marry!!! More chicks for us!!!!:P[/quote">
LOL. Married or not, gay guys think chicks are gross. No worries there.
