Re: Common courtesy... the lost art form Spike: It's the biggest problem with society today, IMO. The values and morales that were the most important, are gone.
A hand shake can't close a deal anymore, there has to be contracts, and lawyers, and so on. It really is pathetic that you have to question everything a person says, until you know them. A promise is a promise, if you can't follow through, legitimately, fine, call. But, don't say you will do something and then not do it, you gained nothing. HONOR!!! It's lost to society!!
Re: Common courtesy... the lost art form pluscachange: [quote author=Spike link=topic=39545.msg432963#msg432963 date=1167914452">
It's the biggest problem with society today, IMO. The values and morales that were the most important, are gone.
A hand shake can't close a deal anymore, there has to be contracts, and lawyers, and so on. It really is pathetic that you have to question everything a person says, until you know them. A promise is a promise, if you can't follow through, legitimately, fine, call. But, don't say you will do something and then not do it, you gained nothing. HONOR!!! It's lost to society!!
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These things do not exist in a vacuum, which is something nobody understands, or wants to understand. When you have an entire society raised since the 1960's under the ideas of "don't judge me" and "there is no right and wrong, only shades of gray", then you have no basis for having honor or trust. What is honor when looking at somebody else but a judgement that somebody is good and thus worthy of trust? What is honor when looking at oneself other than a declaration of "I am good, as demonstrated by my words AND deeds as seen by all, and ready to be judged by all comers, and I am worthy of trust because of that"? What is trust, if you don't know what is right and wrong, if you know nobody else knows what is right and wrong? Trust is knowing, that others know, what is right and that they will act in a proper manner even in the face of sure temptation. Without right or wrong, there can be no trust, no honor.
These things have been excluded from children's educations at *least* since the 1960's to the modern day. What remains in society of honor and trust comes from the home upbringing, constantly challenged in schools by effite situational ethics bound snobs sneering "those notions are old fashioned! There is no such thing as good or evil! We're all shades of grey!" (interestingly enough, they exclude their own pet theories from these pronouncements)
Nothing exists in a vacuum. Especially something as complex as trust and honor.
I may be farting in the wind here. Seems to be the way things go these days.
Re: Common courtesy... the lost art form icwtsmnl: [quote author=Spike link=topic=39545.msg432963#msg432963 date=1167914452">
It really is pathetic that you have to question everything a person says, until you know them.
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and even AFTER you know them, too. :(
Re: Common courtesy... the lost art form pluscachange: [quote author=icwtsmnl link=topic=39545.msg432971#msg432971 date=1167918431">
[quote author=Spike link=topic=39545.msg432963#msg432963 date=1167914452">
It really is pathetic that you have to question everything a person says, until you know them.
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and even AFTER you know them, too. :(
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If you feel you have to question somebody about everything all the time after you know them, then you don't really know them.
Re: Common courtesy... the lost art form icwtsmnl: [quote author=pluscachange link=topic=39545.msg432972#msg432972 date=1167919094">
[quote author=icwtsmnl link=topic=39545.msg432971#msg432971 date=1167918431">
[quote author=Spike link=topic=39545.msg432963#msg432963 date=1167914452">
It really is pathetic that you have to question everything a person says, until you know them.
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and even AFTER you know them, too. :(
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If you feel you have to question somebody about everything all the time after you know them, then you don't really know them.
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Tell that to all the people on ojar whose spouse eventually made them question everything.
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